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Post by megrar » Thu Dec 21, 2006 9:15 am

one piece better than watchmen?

. . . i ADORE one piece. however, i love it as what it is--a really goofy and fun adventure for kids. i respect watchmen as what it is: a dark and well made tale for older teens/adults.

they are not for the same audience, nor are they in the same genre or really possess any other basis for comparison. your classmates are immature, and they probably said that to piss you off.

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Post by Coffee and TV » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:12 am

I'm no comic aficionado, but I must say I enjoy classic animation and comics to most anime and manga. It might just be that something is lost in the translation of most manga, but the few I've read just come off as corny and unbearably immature. Then again, I'm a fan of Frank Miller, Jeff Smith and the like. Also, most manga/anime seems to have a very similar style -over exaggerated expressions, 2-dimensional characters and awkward humor.

With that out of the way, I think keeping anime/manga out of Flight has helped keep it fresh and original.

(Sorry if that doesn't make much sense.)

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Post by Joltz » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:22 am

I kind of agree with Coffee and TV (nice icon, by the way). A lot of the manga that makes its way stateside seems to bear very similar, stiff drawing styles and dull plots that have been done over and over again. Not say that ALL manga is like that; there are plenty I've enjoyed and I was certainly influenced by the look when I began drawing, but I see why those generalizations exist.

That said, I think Junko Mizuno is one of the most amazing artists ever.

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Post by Scott Hallett » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:17 pm

I feel like the 'Monster' (Naoki Urasawa's) street team, but man o man is that comic good. I think there are a wide variety of genres in manga and hope you give it a second glance. As an avid comic fan, I pick up quite a few different books every week, and I've been enjoying manga more and more compared to some of the mainstream comics out there.

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Post by Vince » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:39 pm

Good is good and bad is bad. Are "American comics" Watchmen or Youngblood? Is anime Final Fantasy yaoi or is it Miyazaki?
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Post by Clio » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:07 pm

Nofret wrote: I thought the term for Korean mangas were Manhwa or something (?)
...which is precisely the pronunciation for "comic" in Mandarin! :P

Comics is comics. I think there are plenty of folks in Flight (myself included) that are mutts with both Asian and American influences. Makes it a heck of a lot more fun. :D
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Post by jdalton » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:27 pm

I've never understood this battle between pro- and anti- manga comics readers. Yeah, a lot of comics in Japan are bland and pointless and borderline soft porn (or actual porn, I suppose). But so is a lot of stuff put out by the Marvelous Imageinary DCinosaurs! You've always got to sift through the mediochre to find the real gems. I like to find my influences in both manga and comic books, and also Ban Desinee (which I probably can't spell :? ) and pre-modern art from all over.
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Post by nemu » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:41 pm

I agree with jdalton in that you've got to weed through a lot of stuff to find the gems out there. My tastes have changed since the days of collecting comic books and I hardly ever buy single issues from DC or Marvel anymore due to the fact that it's expensive and sometimes the storys are lacking in a way.

However I do enjoy reading the compilations that they put out... reading them in one volume brings back memories and at times makes me wonder why I loved some of the series since some of them seem so badly done now that I'm older.

As for manga, I've scaled back my reading since I don't have enough room for all of them.. and of course there are some that just have bad storylines, or the artist is bad at storytelling... but there are a few out there that are really great and quite inspiring. XXXholic, Monster, Saishu Heiki Kanojo (Saikano), Azumanga Daioh and Yotsubato! (my favorites), Someday's Dreamers to name a few.

I find lately that I'll sometimes buy a title just to check out the artwork if it interests me. For example, Humberto Ramos stint on Wolverine got me to pick up the title while he was doing it because I really enjoyed his portrayal of Wolverine.

In a way, I miss the old days of comic books... Miller on Daredevil, Byrne and Austin on X-Men, Perez on Teen Titans, Michael Golden on Dr. Strange, Dave Sim on Cerebus... but hopefully this new wave of artists here on Flight will change that. Flight has been one of my favorite reads with each publication.
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Post by Heather Leach » Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:02 pm

For myself, I must say that once I reached middle school (at the tender age of 11) ALL forms of cartoons, animated or comics, seemed to have become shunned by my classmates instantaneously once they reached the age of 11.

Except for me.

And this concencious did not wear off until i was 16. It was a long 5 years until my western, turned european, turned back to western, then full-blown japanese, and the settled to a nice eastern/western mix (with a hint of european) influenced art became increasingly accepted (and popular!) with my peers once again. In grades 11 and 12 i found friends and TEACHERS even! who would listen to my passionate interest in all things creative and cartoony. It was the BEST, most thought-provoking on the subjects and issues so close to me time of my life! And now i find myself in art college....strangely enough, with some peers and teachers who still seem to be stuck in the mindset of those sixth-graders who could not seem to accept different styles and concepts from across oceans.

It is so bittersweet. I keep on fighting.

So my views on manga and anime? One thing that people should know before going into this subject for the first time is that MOST mainstream manga and anime is shipped to the New World in the hopes of capturing the attention (and wallets) of the impressionable youths and these mainstream titles are more often than i would like filled with (too) busty women, an overflow of masculinity, awkward humour, sexual inuenndos, etc. But OH WAIT! Isn't that what is popular among the mainstream western comics and animation? Characters and story plots that are easily made and that play on basic human instincts rather than compeling tales and characters with 3-dimensionality that delve into the deeper, darker workings of the human psyche? And don't Disney cartoons all look the same and tell the story? So you see, western cartoons can apparently look all the same at first glance too, now can't they? Seems a bit like an equivalent to "cartoon racism" doesn't it?

The fact is, if you are introduced to a mainstrem, sub-par anime or manga, chances are THAT anime or manga will be your basis comparison for all other anime and manga to come. Especially if your peers who have introduced you to said anime or manga do not like it themselves. Do NOT stand for just ONE basis comparison. Completely forget about your initial reaction and find out more about this subject on your own.

Like the Mesoamericans and the Egyptians, two different civilizations on opposite sides of the world came up with the pyramid, and both forms were great. The same can be said for comics and animation, if you can just find the right ones that work for you.
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Post by Reagan » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:14 pm

All I'm gonna say is that my first hundred drawings or so were anime back when I started drawing in late highschool.

Really bad anime too. I hope it never comes to the light of day. Not even my wife has seen the abominations I drew back then.

But that said, I can't say I prefer western to Japanese animation/comics or vice-versa. If it's a good story, it's a good story. I liked Berserk, Ghost In The Shell: SAC, Bobobo Bo-bobobobobobobo and Wolf's Rain as much as I liked Batman, Highlander: The Animated Series, ExoSquad and The New Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog (don't laugh!! I was in elementary school).

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Post by Heather Leach » Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:23 pm

Reagan wrote:...and The New Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog (don't laugh!! I was in elementary school).
Hahaa! I watched Sonic Underground when i was in elementary school! Man, i could never get enough of that blue hedgehog back then! :D
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Post by smaragddrache » Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:16 am

I will echo Megrar in the sentiment that manga and Watchmen (and many other greats in Western comics) are meant for different audiences. I've worked in a comic store out here for over a year now, and it's amazing the stark line between the evolution of children's tastes... first it's kid-version JLA or Spidey, maybe even a couple Ducks, then a move into manga in pre-teen years, most often Dragonball at first, then Naruto, etc (Fruits Basket for the girls :) ), and then in high school sometime, there's a movement into mainstream Western comic titles (Spidey, X-men, FF), and some indie stuff. And of course, it all goes out the window when they get out of high school and are exposed to so much more. It's interesting to watch. My specialty are the family and indie, so I've seen people move in and out of my realm. In the end, the general influences are apparent in those readers who are aspiring artists, but each is unique from the particular manga they have read, as well as the mainstream Western.

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Post by Vince » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:45 am

I thought this resurrected thread would shuffle around horrifyingly in some sort of blasphemous, zombie-like unlife, but I guess it's more that a good topic can't stay down. :wink:

And go anime.

For all its she-males, magical schoolgirls, and awkward soliloquies, it's probably the most prominent flag-bearer of imaginative entertainment design, 2D animation and sequential art today. More than that, I sincerely believe it's introduced those things to people who might not otherwise have cared or noticed. For my money, that can be nothing but good for our field.
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Post by Heather Leach » Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:53 am

Vince wrote:I thought this resurrected thread would shuffle around horrifyingly in some sort of blasphemous, zombie-like unlife, but it seems that a good topic can't stay down. :wink:
And i take full credit for bringing this topic back to life! When i was sifting through the fourms yesterday, i just felt that this is one topic that just cannot be kept tucked away and with all of these artists and comic savvy people in one place, i felt that there could be a really good discussion with valuble input just waiting to surface! Discuss everyone, discuss! :)
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