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Post by elara » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:13 am

:shock: These are beautiful! I love the lighting.
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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:25 am

Thanks elara :)

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There's been a bit of a...well, lets just say that quite a few folk really do not like the dirt thing that I put onto the images...I know that at the end of the day it's my call, and that I must do what I myself would like to see. But it does get me thinking, the dirt you see really does look like it's dirt on the lens that hasn't been wiped off...and possibly its too much of a distraction.

I made a far less dirt photo to put over it...here below is dirt and no dirt.

WITH DIRT
http://www.studiotacitus.co.uk/TPAS.html


WITHOUT DIRT

http://www.studiotacitus.co.uk/TPAS2.html



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Post by dark77778 » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:43 pm

Okay, I think that both versions have merit to them and neither one is really better than the other, but it all depends on what you want, what you think suites the feel of the animation. The one with dirt feels very realistic and industrial, sorta like Wall-E's beginning bit. I think it feels neat, although pesimistic. The other one feels more lighthearted and cartoony industrial like Cars or Robots. I don't know much of what the tone is you're going for but if I had to pick one that I liked the most it'd have to be the dirt one simply because I like the idea of animation overlapping realistic backgrounds and tones instead of cartoon backgrounds.
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Post by elara » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:33 pm

I agree with dark77778, it's really your call. Maybe you should just complete it without outside judgment or comment. It feels like you have a very strong vision, why muddle it up with others opinions, especially while you are still working on it?
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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:25 am

Hey you two,

Thank you :)

I think this is the situation...just gotto pick one and go with it, I always seem to like different things from each version though. The main reason its surfaced so early in this, it that ive just completed my other short film The Rescue, and there was a lot of complaining and also a lot of silence (never a good thing) about the dirt with that short.
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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:52 am

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Bare in mind that it's work in progress on this big canon though.
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Post by Mathias » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:23 am

Hey Michael, just noticed this new project of yours. I have to say that the ligthing as always look really good, but what takes the images to a whole other level is the colors. Looks great. Keep it up.

By the way, I'm not sure if you have ever checked out the plugin Dirtynuts? It knocks up your rendertimes abit but works somewhat like ambient occlussion putting dirt and grime in cracks and corners on your models, giving them a somewhat weathered look. Perhaps would help enhanching the images even further.

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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:51 pm

Hey Mathias!...welcome to the chaos!...don’t worry, its controlled chaos..............sort of... :)

Thanks for the kind words :) It’s certainly nice to work in colours after such a long period of black and white, I’m just a bit unsure about the whole dirt thing.

Here’s a complete rehaul of the scene with no dirt.

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I do love the sound of that Mathias, but the whole upping of the render time...I’ve been stressing out a bit recently with wiether or not to go to the maximum high definition resolution...it seems crazy not to really, but then I started to do it, and the render times went through the roof...but I’ve been coming up against places that wont accept SD, so I mean I’m really going to have to move into high definition I think...maybe it's time to buy another computer again...
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Post by Mathias » Sun Aug 03, 2008 3:22 pm

Thanks for the welcome! I have to say that I like both images although I favor the dirty one, even though it sometimes looks abit to "slapped on" over the image when its moving, it does give the images some texture, wich I prefer over strictly flat shaded ones. Still, thats very subjective and my own personal taste.

I have to ask you, are you sure buying a new computer would solve the problems with rendering? I'm not sure what kind of rig you're on overthere, but from my own experience, everytime I seem to need a new computer - and get it, I tend to raise the bar (just because I can) so that the new computer doesn't become much more effective than the last one, as I just push the limits abit further and continue to suffer over the rendertimes. :P But that might be just me in a nutshell..

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Post by squirpy » Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:33 pm

Once when I had to dirty up an animation, I made a really subtle sequence of like 8 vingette images with fade to black edges and had it play those in a random order on multiply so that it changed up the dirtiness and gave it a little flicker without actual flickering of the main image. Does that make sense? The middle was always white, just the edges changed subtly from frame to frame. I think I kept the same dirt image over the whole thing on another image. But it helped make it so that the dirt image didn't look so slapped on, but without going as far as making it actually look like old film with scratches and stuff.
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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:03 am

Mathias

No no no, that was definitely me too, the last time I bought a new computer I started to do area shadows cause I was like “ooo look, it’s rendering these area shadows out quite fast now” and sure enough you do go right back to where you had started with the speeds.

I did do a lot of shots on The Rescue without area shadows...but I’m starting to think here if I up the whole thing to 1080p then that might begin to look dodgy...maybe it’s because its 720x576 that I can get away with a lot of it being soft shadows with only certain shots (close up shots and some medium shots) having area shadows.

Hmm

But...a new quad core ontop of the two dual core PCs I have here would be like two more Dual core PCs...I think you just have to march on no matter what and get what you can done even if it does take a while to do...

squirpy

Interesting, it would be nice to do that but to do differnet lots of 8 or 25 at different points in the animation. you know like when they get somthing trapped in the gate?
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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:58 pm

I'm in a really odd kind of place at the moment...I did hit burn out, and that was down to working so hard on The Rescue...and so I've been resting a lot these days, but I still am very much doing film things, a wrote a big thing on aspect ratio and continue to study it.

A bit more has been done on this scene. The ratio here is 2.35:1

Theres a long story about whats going on here that I'll go into on the next post.

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Post by Breadwig » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:26 am

This stuff is looking so great. I'd have to agree with the guys saying it's your call on the dirt issue. Both have their pluses (plusses?). I can't wait to see how this continues to progress.

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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:30 am

Thanks Breadwig :) :) :)

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Post by Michael J. Dowswell » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:42 am

Train track here is going to be altered to be a mono rail type thing.


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