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Casino Royale

Post by SonOfaRich » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:33 am

I haven't been this excited about a Bond film for a long time. This film takes Bond to a whole other level. The action scenes were great and Eva Green is HOT!
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Post by Ganter » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:04 am

Personally I thought the first woman was more "HOT", although Eva Green looked great without her makeup! The action was fantastic, although the love story towards the end was hard to swallow... ah well. Highly recommended, anyway. Good times!

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Post by Nick » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:47 am

Much better than the last one thank goodness. It had the audience laughing out loud in some places. I thought the pacing was abit awry though, the last half hour just seemed to drop to a crawl, people were squirming in their seats. Mind you perhaps it wouldn't have been so bad if we hadn't had to sit through half hour of adverts before the beginning of the film. Did you guys have to sit through adverts which were basically short films? There was a short film for Chanel No.5 that just went on and on, it even had credits...IT'S A PERFUME!




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You know what i miss about the Bond films? The larger than life Villains. By the time they'd worked there way through the chain in Casino Royale I couldn't give a rats arse about Bond pinning the last guy. I couldn't identify with the whole thing because he hadn't been a strong presence from the start so I was totally indifferent.




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Post by Kazu » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:04 pm

I really liked the film, although I have to admit that it was structurally uneven. Luckily for the film, the individual sequences are pretty amazing. It was similar to Pirates of the Carribbean 2 in that it worked very, very hard to please its audience with the spectacle (with almost too much action!), and in the case of this film, the parkour sequence with Sebastien Foceault was the ace up its sleeve. I just wish they let us get to know Bond a little more before those crazy action scenes in the beginning. Without our emotional investment in him, it was almost like watching a Terminator hunting terrorists, albeit in a really kickass way.

I do admire the attempt to give the emotional and psychological conflicts greater importance by allowing them to dominate the second half of the film, however, but I think the ambitions weren't met by the execution, and in the end it was its major flaw. The romance really falls flat by the end, and without the final twist, it would have all felt like an awkward dream. After the film, it was the super cool action that stuck with me. Anyway, I think the cast and crew should get points for trying something different, and I'm looking forward to the next Bond film. I still recommend Casino Royale. It ain't Die Hard, but it's definitely got some really good stuff going on.
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Post by Phil » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:54 pm

I concur with Kazu and Amy. (Eva Green was gorgeous without all the makeup... :) )
I also felt the unevenness of the pacing, and the flatness of the romance, but overall I enjoyed the movie immensely. Daniel Craig kicked major butt and totally reignited the cool toughness of Bond.

I'd love to see the Bond films continue in this vein, with the realism and grittiness lacking in the Brosnan era. Too bad they've already told the story of Bond's broken heart, so we probably won't see the theme revisited too much. (unless audience response triggers some rethinking of the Bond persona...) I love the dispassionate "blunt instrument" character, but it's going to feel dull to just see him romance women with no emotional investment on his part.

The opening black and white scene and the parkour scene were very cool. The imploding building was a bit blah. Judi Dench was fantastic.

All in all, the best Bond in a long time, and definitely good for a big screen excursion. :D

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Post by Josh-Ulrich » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:46 pm

I hate to be the odd man out here, but I was highly dissapointed with this movie. The constant staring matches between bond and vespa, horribly dull love story, and incredibly cliche' and almost embarassing foreplay had me laughing for most of the movie.

About 80% of the dialogue felt like one liners, and I almost fell asleep during the converstation on the train.

I will admit that the action in the film was very impressive and I was pretty excited to see parqour... but the story did not hold my interest.

By the time they where at the poker match I had forgetten what their whole mission was even about. And for as much time as they spent at that table, there was never any suspence for me. I've gotten more thrills out of watching the real thing on ESPN.

As let down as I was over the last movie, I honestly didn't think I could be THIS dissapointed with Casino Royal. I really had high hopes that this would be the Batman Begins of James Bond, but it proved me wrong. Which on that note, I would LOVE to see the Nolan brothers take on the James Bond series, maybe they could redeam it for me. As of right now however, I've lost a lot of faith in the Bond series, I'm not excited about the next one. I would not recomend this movie to anyone.

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Post by SonOfaRich » Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:57 pm

It almost sounds like you need to be a Bond fan to like Bond films. They're practically a genre of it's own. Every Bond film needs the one liners, but 80% of the film was not one liners. I would say closer to 30% was. Josh-Ulrich, what do you expect or want from a Bond movie because to me it sounds like what you want from a Bond film would be a complete reimagining which probably does not fit with any of Ian Fleming's stories. I definitely disagree with you on having the Nolan Bros. make a Bond film. I'm thinking maybe more John Woo. Classic John Woo though, not Hollywood Woo. :-P

I thought the pacing of the film was well balanced. Even though it feels that the romance scene between Vesper and Bond after the torture scene was uneven, I thought the scene in Venice balanced things out even though it was not much of a surprise because of the movie trailer.
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Post by Og » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:12 pm

I thought it was really a great ride, and only the romance got in the way. As far as the Vesper plotline, we've been down that Bond before - with Diamonds Are Forever and with The Living Daylights - and I wasn't buying it. Bond can no more fall in love and give it all up than he can die. I just never believed it.

I love that "this is the Bond that bleeds" as one reviewer put it. He gets hit, and cut and really gets banged around like Wolverine. Yet the one thing that should have slowed him down (the torture scene), though it landed him in the wheelchair, didn't slow him down "down there" like you think it would.

I would have loved to see a little Indiana Jones moment there where man and woman both want some fun in bed, but injuries prevent it. That would have given me that little extra warmth that I felt the film was just barely missing. He was arguably the most human Bond, but not necessarily the warmest. I'm sure that will come with more installments, because Craig is very impressive.

And I missed Q. Not Q's over the top gadgets, and not too much of Q's bad puns. But I missed him anyway.

All in all a really enjoyable film, and one of my favorite, if not my very favorite, Bond film.
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Post by Josh-Ulrich » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:21 pm

SonOfaRick: Perhaps your right to an extent. I was probably a bit to hard on the movie. I wrote all that at 2:00 in the morning just getting back from the film, not all that thrilled. As for Bond films, I've always been a fan of them in the past, I used to watch them all the time growing up. Perhaps they seemed more complex to me back then, and I didn't have any standard to judge them by.

Really, I think what bothered me most was that the actualy story felt a bit dry to me. I go into a bond movie expecting swanky women and a lot of sex scenes, but in this film it just seemed overly corny. I'll probably see this move again, this time with out a group of people, not in the middle of the night, and with a different set of expectations.

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I thought it was really a great ride, and only the romance got in the way. As far as the Vesper plotline, we've been down that Bond before - with Diamonds Are Forever and with The Living Daylights - and I wasn't buying it. Bond can no more fall in love and give it all up than he can die. I just never believed it.
Well said. I think that's the words I was looking for. I never believed the love story and I never was able to really invest myself in the film.

As for Craig, I think he definately made a good bond. He was very human and I liked that.

This film didn't feel like the other ones. It didn't have the cool gadgets (except the very conveniant glove compartment defibulator lol), and the cold war espionage that I'm so used to. This move was so different from the other bonds (to me anyways) I think it was difficult for me to adjust.

Also, when I watched James pull up in a Ford I about crapped my pants... but they resolved that issue, thankfully.

Sorry for so much ranting on this film, I'm just having a hard time wrapping my feelings around it.
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Post by SonOfaRich » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:29 pm

Josh-Ulrich: I think you should also re-watch some of the old Connery, Moore, and Brosnan Bond films. They might not be as complex as you had remembered.
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