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Fahrenheit 9/11

Post by Kazu » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:35 pm

Now, I'm not anti-Bush, and I'm also not exactly the biggest fan of Michael Moore but boy am I glad he's out there making films like this. If not for the good of the American people, then at least for plain entertainment's sake. This film looks like it's going to be a riot! :D

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Post by Mothos » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:59 pm

I think one of the great things about his films (and TV and books for that matter) is that he is incredibly biased in them. I've heard people critisize him for this, saying that as a documentarian, he should present both sides and let the viewer decide what side to be on. In a certain sense this is true, but Moore looks at the insane things in Western Society, and his filmmaking reflects that. He makes fun of the situation while keeping a hint of a serious tone to keep us all grounded. I usually have a policy of only seeing big special effects movies on the big screen, but for Moore, I'll always make an ecception.

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Post by Azzamckazza » Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:03 pm

I agree...if the news and the government can show be biased in what they say, why can't moore?

I for one cannot wait to see this film.....I enjoy Moore's style. Although too much of it is a bad thing. Me and my girlfriend tried to watch series two of 'The Awful Truth' in one sitting. After about 5 episodes it started to really get u down and lose its effect
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Post by Coheteboy » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:30 pm

I love Michael Moore's films. I can't wait!

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Post by Coheteboy » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:48 pm

I love Michael Moore's films. I can't wait!

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Post by biffno » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:48 pm

Micheal moore isn't exactly objective, is he? I've read his book "Dude, where's my country?" and there are a lot of statements of opinion, rather than fact, in there.
I'd go into more detail, but yeah, lazy. Just keep your BS detectors on, everyone.

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Post by Johnny Neat » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:35 am

Moore's "Dude where is my Country" was such an interesting read. Though I feel he should try to present both sides to make his arguments that much better, with Bush and the current state of affairs he's gotten us into, it's hard to find that opposite logical side.

Anyhow, I was never very political. But after what's been going on, I'm turning. I just can't wait to see this flick after "Bowling for Columbine" and how that Docu started to leak from violence in America to King George and his posse. I knew he (Moore) wanted to go where this one will go.

All in all, I think there will be some unanswered questions finally being brought up to the American people that the rest of the world has already heard of and has known about for sometime.
What happened to "Freedom of the Press." and America being represented by its leaders, yet controlled by its citizens :?:

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Post by neil » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:18 am

The trailer makes it look like a fun, "feel good" sort of movie, especially with the music they chose and everything. On Moore's site he adds that all the special effects are real, heh. Bush's golf swing at the end even seems to be fun! I just thought it's really interesting to see how a movie like this is marketed.

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Post by Monk » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:59 pm

I'm of the firm opinion that people like Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, and Howard Stern are a necessary part of the political landscape. If you have a bunch of moderates presenting both sides, nobody is swayed one way or the other. It takes a Michael-Moore-ish extreme stand to shove the issues down people's throats and wake them up so that they pay attention to what's going on. Love him or hate him, he gets people involved.
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Post by Matt: Lord of The Pies » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:41 pm

I liked Moore's show "The Awful Truth" back in the day, and this movie looks like a longer version of it. Whereas I agree with him on several political points, he can get a little too much for me at times with a "holier than thou" attitude. But at least he does it with a sense of humor.

But apparently not everybody agrees:
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Post by Melander » Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:33 pm

It's important to remember to watch things like these with a critical eye (something that goes for everything claiming to show "the reality"). That said, I quite liked Bowling... and The awful truth. I also agree with Monk that extreme views are important, although I think they may be getting too extreme.

This Michael Moore hates America gives me a bad taste though. It feels a bit like a PR stunt somehow. If he wanted to examine partisan media and documentaries he should have extended his field of targets and not only focused on Moore.
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Post by Azzamckazza » Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:55 pm

I agree...I can't really take the a movie seriously if it's called 'Michael Moore Hates America' I'm not expecting it to be unbiased.....then again, Farenheit 9/11 isn't really going to be either...

If this Mike Wilson guys wants to be taken seriously he should just make the documentary about Moore and not put his face to it. Make it about the issue, not about the guy making it. Guess he's trying to get moore at his own game.

Oh well, guess time will tell....hope MMHA makes it out here
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Post by Ganter » Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:43 am

all of these moore-bashing sites are interesting. It makes me think of a conversation I had with a colleague, how he freelances as someone corporations hire to make fake websites that make companies or people who are damaging to their business look bad. He says you get paid tons of money, you have to be careful not make the site look TOO professional. I didn't even know networks of these hired critics and complainers was a whole underground corporate industry... makes me wonder if some of these moore bashing sites are products of such hired help. But then again, I suppose the same could be questioned about F9/11.

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Post by deantrippe » Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:44 pm

Monk wrote:I'm of the firm opinion that people like Michael Moore, Rush Limbaugh, and Howard Stern are a necessary part of the political landscape.
They might be necessary, but their overinflated egos don't deserve a second of my attention or an ounce of my respect.

You don't fight lies with lies. You fight it with truth. Both sides need to learn this.

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Post by Johnny Neat » Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:42 am

Correct me if I am wrong, and if I am please do so.
But about Moore, I haven't seen him lie about anything regarding this Bush, 911, terrorism fiasco.
I will say that he allowed a chip in the armor in regards to his Disney situation by making unclear/grey comments about his knowledge of Disney's stance against his film. But regardless, from what I have read and heard about/from him, he's on the money. Everyone else mentioned, at one time or another, has said stupid and/or incorrect stuff wither on purpose or on accident due to or because of the heat of a debate and/or personal opinion.

But F' it :!:
Why not do some imaginary nominations...

Tom "The all around nice guy" Hanks for President :!:

Hillary "We need some political credibility & Clintonism" Rodham Clinton for Vice President :!:

Denzel "The great presence and speaker" Washington for Secretary of State :!:

Arnie "Conan the Destroyer nuff said, now every militant brainwashed fool can understand what's the deal" Schwarzenegger for Secretary of Defense :!:

Michael "Master of the sugar coated hard truth" Moore for Department of Justice :!:

Steve "The Money maker" Jobs for Secretary of the Treasury :!:
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