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How do people afford SCAD or other US Programs??
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:42 pm
I got my package today to drool over, and then i read the last page- tuition....
$25,000!! That doesn't include living costs!
Holy snap- i thought it was bad in Canada for university...
How do people afford it or pay it back afterwards?
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:21 pm
lots and lots of loans.
and scholarships help.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:22 am
Part time jobs, parents, and loans.
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:24 am
So in other words, they don't!
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:04 am
Students who are smart about their money pick top art programs in far more affordable state universities instead, like California State University, Fullerton
(CSUF). Their program in illustration, comics
, or animation
, is so solid that Nickelodeon has an on-going partnership with CSU-Fullerton
involving internships, visits from animation pros on campus and more. Several CSUF alumns have published in Flight
. Cal State Fullerton art students also have won lots of awards
, including taking 1st prizes in the Hollywood Reporter Key Art Awards in both the movie posters and trailer student categories
. Such state schools rarely have the glitzy marketing machine of private art schools, so prospective students have to do a little more research. Another state university with a good reputation for its art program is San Jose State University
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:56 am
I actually went to a public school, at UCSB (studying film), and the tuition at the time was only 4000 a year. Working at the school newspaper was the best art school I ever had, since it's where I learned to become a professional, plus I got paid, and it covered my rent. Basically, you can make any situation work for you if you're creative enough. As far as art schools go, I think SCAD is among the best, and I love the students and faculty there. Christian also mentions CSUF (a public school), and I would say that they tend to turn out some of the best students. Both of these schools have really passionate teachers, which is why I recommend them very highly.
Just started thinking about this a little more, and I realize that many of the folks who go to expensive art schools tend to feel more pressured to take jobs at big companies, while the public school group tends to be a little more independent (cartoonists, comic artists, as opposed to working at studios, though they are not mutually exclusive). In the end, I think anyone can make either option work for them, if they're creative enough. Also, look into scholarships. That seems to be what paid much of my friends' tuition costs at ArtCenter (which now has tuition at $17k a term!)
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:43 am
The ultimate goal of going to school is to not only increase your education but give you a higher chance of getting a good paying job (or create one for yourself). So no matter where you go the key is to start looking for work as a professional even if you don't feel as if your one.
That being said choose a school whether public or private that will help accomplish those goals. In my opinion, public universities are very good at that.
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:50 pm
On the other hand one thing I would pass along from personal experience is having gone to both scad and then a local collage (because i was afraid i was mortgaging my life away), I do feel like i missed out on a lot of specialized classes and am now having to make up for it on my own. The liberal arts college i ended graduating didn't offer much in the way of helping students prepare for art careers. That's something to really weigh into the cost of tuition.
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:53 am
i spent some time at expressions in emeryville this past week and i was kind of disappointed by what i saw hanging on the walls in their animation departments.
Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:35 pm
Yea stay the crap away from private institutions, they just want your money... I went to the Art Institute CA--SF... these places are like the McDonalds of animation education. now my parents and I are estimated to be roughly 100,000 dollars in the hole (by the time we're done paying, that's how much the interest will have made it... and I graduated 3 months early). I have dreams that I had gone to a public school instead. then I wake up and I'm sad. I think overall, a public school would have been a more stimulating experience, and given me a more varied perspective in life. I vote public school... and if you see an art institute run like hell.
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:22 pm
Sorry Vear, but I have to disagree. I'm going into my 5th year at Ringling College of Art and it's the best decision I've made. Now I'll have around $120,000 of loans to pay off when I graduate in May but that's just part of it. Use that as incentive to keep getting work. Look at all the top illustrators: James Jean, Tomer Hanuka, Sam Weber, Nic Uribe all went to SVA. Frank Stockton, Andrew Hem went to Art Center (correct me if I'm wrong Frank). Shawn Barber, Jason Manley, Ed Kinsella went to Ringling. Jon Foster went to Sheridan. I don't think it's an absolute necessity...I mean look at Adam Hughes, he got good drawing from porn. But you have to put yourself in the best situation. Picking a college will be one of the most important decisions you make in your life. Don't sell yourself short. If you sacrifice a lot now, it will pay off in the future. My senior illo teacher is George Pratt, I just got back from 7 weeks of an intensive program with teachers like Jon Foster, Anita Kuntz, Gary Kelly, Sterling Hundley and others. These are things that will be much harder to ascertain at sub-par art schools. Art is all dependent on you in the end, but you want to surround yourself with the best people to push you. If you're going to make the decision to go to an art school make sure it's the best. Right now Ringling is the best in the world for Illustration, followed by SVA and Art Center. It's also the best in Computer Animation, with Sheridan and Art Center being the best for traditional. I'm not sure about fine art, graphic design, etc. but that info can be gotten. Documentation for these ratings is available also, I'm sincerely not saying that because I go there/here.
All the best in your search.
Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:36 am
i was going to school for art education and i started to hate the art process. so i dropped out. the art got way better.
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:07 pm
I went to Scad-Atlanta for graduate school, and wouldn't do anything differently. Hands down best decision I could've made. The teachers were passionate, well tied into the industry, and being around a core group of other students who really push each other was great. But the teachers are important - any school that you're looking at, see what the teachers have done/are doing. If they can't make it in comics, then why follow their advice? If you're gonna shell out tuition dough, make sure it goes to people that have a solid industry foundation. Part of this is that they'll know what works, artistically, AND they'll be in a position where they probably pick the brains of other working cartoonist peers. Also, they can give you industry inroads, introducing you to the publishers and other artists and writers who are best suited for your artistic/storytelling style. There's a chance I'd have gotten my series picked up if I hadn't gone to SCAD-Atlanta, but it wouldn't have happened nearly as quickly or as easily as it did. Plus, I wouldn't have been competent to tackle it prior to a couple of quarters at school.
The old adage "those that can't, teach" is about half true. You have plenty of folks that teach because they're unable to make a living at what they're doing. What you want to look for are teachers that CHOOSE to teach because they have a passion for it. Ask for publishing cred from whatever school you're looking at - this can be done innocuously - say you want to familiarize yourself with the faculty's work prior to enrollment. If there's a steady list of quality stuff from the people you'd be learning under, it's worth it. If the instructors have nothing, or only stuff published by the school, it's not. Also watch out for instructors who teach comics classes but are illustrators. They're two very distinct mediums, but a lot of folks think that because they can draw in a line-based style and have read Understanding Comics that they're equipped to deal with comics classes.
A big part of affording SCAD is scholarships. If you're good and can stick through the trying-to-GET-scholarships rigamaroll, you've probably got a good shot at a scholarship/fellowship.
The good part is important. Doesn't mean you have to draw extremely well, or have good storytelling ability, or be able to write well, or whatever - it means that you have to show clear potential and be ahead of the curve in some aspect of comics or another. Get your portfolio looked at by a professor (Dave Duncan or Dove McHargue are good at portfolio review in Savannah, Shawn Crystal is good in Atlanta, off the top of my head) prior to submitting it. They'll give you direction in what to include and what to leave out so as to better help scholarship chances.
And, of course, loans, loans, loans.
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:55 pm
While Chris above, went to SCAD-Atlanta...I went to SCAD-Savannah...the original school, thank you very much.
To answer JGrubber's question...for my undergraduate, I got a full-ride scholarship to SCAD...finished that in three years. Now, I had a choice, which was to go ahead and leave and start living and drawing at the level I was at....or...go to Graduate school. I chose the latter.
BEST Decision I ever made. One, I met more people who were really serious about our craft bc of grad school. I developed a reputation as 'thedeafguy'. I developed my skill at drawing and storytelling enormously and really took it to the next level. I only really have a few people to thank for this evolution and that would be my friends, co-workers, and three teachers. The others...yes, there's teachers at SCAD who are just there for the paycheck and are absolutely lazy and no passion. The three teachers, I'm thankful for, are the ones that pushed me to go further and wouldn't take any excuse from me.
As for finances...well, I graduated back in May, and still as of right now, still in debt. However, I've begun to immerse myself into the underground mini-comics world and finding myself forced to tell longer stories and better ones for me to get noticed in the world. I find that the lesson is...one needs to work hard in life to get where they want to be.
"What you put into life is what life is going to give back to you."